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T.S Eliot's The Waste Land, What is going on..? (self.books)
submitted 1 year ago by [deleted]
I decided to read T.S Eliot's 'modernist masterpiece' to see what all the fuss is about. I understand that it's supposed to be fragmented and complex, but it just seems like academic masturbation. Can anyone suggest context or a book that could help me better appreciate this poem?
[–]AxisOfAwesome 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
it's all about beautifully worded descriptions set in a rhythm that was at the time revolutionary. From what I understand, Eliot was a pretty conservative fellow, so Love Song Of J. Alfred Prufrock is about as emotional as he gets, sorry. A lot of it can seem like nothing more than an intellectual exercise, but the Wasteland has always touched me with its descriptions in a way I can't really describe. That poem makes me feel a little smarter every time I read it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
I tend to agree with you, it's not really a 'poem' I can enjoy but merely some beautiful lines of english in between some less beautiful english. I just wish I could actually understand it as a coherent body, even if it's not really supposed to be taken as such.
[–]seldon452 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
"I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
If that doesn't give you a shiver then I don't know what will
[–]music4lnirvana 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
Well, it's important to understand that The Wasteland is pulling from mountains and mountains of other works. It's largely an amalgamation of different works from many different eras. Also, I'm not sure how familiar you are with Modernist work, but knowing more about the background and artistic intentions may help. Modernism
Oh, and you're right, it's totally masturbatory, but great nonetheless.
Edit: Also, I've heard there are copies of this poem which include his handwritten notes as well as the text. It's supposed to help greatly in sorting out the complexities of the poem.
[–]wonderfuldog 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Not sure how basic an analysis you want here -
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waste_Land
- http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/eliot/section2.rhtml -
- http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/LitNote/American-Poets-of-the-20th-Century-The-Poets-T-S-Eliot-1888-1965-.id-11,pageNum-108.html -
I'm looking for more personal opinion and experience of the poem really, sorry if that wasn't clear in the description. What did you think of it?
[–]Johnanapes 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Eliot is one of my favorite poets; The Waste Land is definitely one of his major works. He is definitely academic, but he's also very formal.
The basic historical/authorial context that is generally thrown out is that it is a poem that reflects the fragmented world after World War One. As an author, Eliot has suffered great marital difficulties and has returned to a post-war world.
Honestly, I haven't touched Eliot in an unfortunate long while. I've always found him a good study in versification; he has good mastery of formal meter but also word rhythm. His work always seems to me the work of a formal poet in a new/modern context. If you have only read The Waste Land, his other long poems (Prufrock, Hollow Men are less dense than his later long poems) are worth picking up.
There's a lot of different ways to approach The Waste Land. The trick is to find an entry point that you find interesting or entertaining.
[–]BlueRenner 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Nothing.
The work passed through about five different authors and editors before seeing the light of day. Its safe to say that whatever Eliot's intentions were have been seriously perverted or lost.
Its a pretty mirror, nothing more, nothing less.
[–]Johnanapes 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
To dismiss a work because it has been edited heavily is absolutely ridiculous. Countless major works of literature have been touched by multiple hands or have been changed or revised through transmission; the end work is the one that matters, whether it is the end product of a single author or tends towards a collaborative effort.
To dismiss something like The Waste Land because it was touched by more than the primary author is especially ridiculous because the other major editor was one of the greatest literary minds of the 20th period.
Editing is one thing; completely juggling is another. You know the history, I assume.
I'd be surprised if Eliot would even recognize the post-Pound composition.
My understanding that it was a much more collaborative process. To be honest though, it has been a number of years since I've studied either author; I've studied Pound more recently than Eliot, which probably predisposes me towards weighting him more positively.
If I remember the facsimile drafts of the Waste Land correctly, a good portion of the deleted material was a bit inconsistent. I never read the original manuscript as a complete poem though, so I probably missed the removal and addition of thematic elements.
Of course, if a little less were deleted, we all (in the US) may have been spared National Poetry Month in April.
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