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[–]ozell 29 points30 points ago

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How did your son get burned?!? Was it your kid or his?!?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 33 points34 points ago

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The child my ex-wife was pregnant with was indeed mine. She is a very well adjusted 9-year old girl. She's bright, kind, and mostly responsible. My ex-wife has custody of her. This was one of the hardest things for me to take.

I take a lot of comfort in the fact that my ex's current boyfriend of ~9 years is one helluva guy. He has a big heart, he's a hard worker, and he loves my daughter every bit as much as I do. Also, 10 years is a lot of time to grow, and while my ex-wife isn't perfect, she's not the scared 18 year old girl that she was for those hours that our son needed medical attention and she failed him.

As for how she ended up with custody... well, that's family law.

[–]ozell 20 points21 points ago

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An 18-year-old raising a kid? Well, there's your problem...

[–]sonofamonster[S] 18 points19 points ago

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Agreed. We were young and dumb, both of us. Most, if not all, teenagers are not equipped to raise children. You will see cases where it works out, but it's always a struggle, and delaying parenthood until you're a bit more mature is always preferable.

[–]nolalove06 6 points7 points ago

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Sorry, just because you are young does not make you an unfit parent. I had my first child at 19 and my second at 21. Both my children are loved and well behaved. My SIL was 15 when she had her baby and she is a more fit mother than the majority of adult parents that I know. Leaving a child with 2nd degree burns over 40% of his body without seeking medical attention is just plain stupidity.

Was she ever convicted of child neglect??

[–]sonofamonster[S] 4 points5 points ago

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No, she was not convicted. The charges were dropped shortly after my daughter's child services case was closed. I don't think this was legally proper, but with the benefit of hindsight, I feel that it's for the best. My daughter doesn't need any of her parents in jail.

[–]Coitastic -2 points-1 points ago

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Right...because she needs a parent who let a previous child die?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 3 points4 points ago

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I have to ask myself, "Is having a healthy relationship with her mother a net benefit to my daughter?" Once I got to the point that I was able to ask myself this question, the answer was a qualified yes.

[–]Coitastic 3 points4 points ago

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Between the time I made the comment and you replied I spent all my time trying to find it and delete it. It was just a knee-jerk reaction to the injustice I felt at the situation.

I really respect the approach you've taken - more than anything you've borne the burden emotionally, to make tough decisions that benefit your family and your children in positive ways - forgiving your wife, and so on and so forth.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 6 points7 points ago

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I understand your reaction completely. It has taken me years to get to my current view of the situation. You just started thinking about it today.

[–]TikiTDO 0 points1 point ago

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Sorry, this is absolutely unrelated to the topic, but if you click on your username at the top left of the page you get a list of all your posts in chronological order. Makes it much easier to keep track of your discussions.

[–]Coitastic 1 point2 points ago

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Yeah, it's one of those "I've used this, but not every day" things I had a brainfart about. I kept clicking my inbox :(

[–]emjones91 -1 points0 points ago

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Thank you for saying that. I had my son at 17 and he's my entire world. I could never imagine that level of stupidity from anyone. I would think most pre-schoolers would know to call 911 for something that severe. Being young didn't make her bad mother, being a moron did. No offense, OP.

*edit: herpin' grammar.

[–]r-ice 3 points4 points ago

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how was it that your ex endagers a child and still gets to keep another child???

[–]sonofamonster[S] 2 points3 points ago

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The goals of the child welfare agencies are, and should be, to first protect the child(ren), then aid the parent(s) in correcting their deficiencies in parenting, and finally return the child(ren) to the parent(s) if and when they are able to properly care for their children. Unfortunately, sometimes these agencies and the courts overlook a perfectly suitable parent when they find the other one deficient.

[–]GiskardReventlov 8 points9 points ago

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Your ex-wife got custody?! WTF American courts system?! Did the judge hear this story? Also, does your daughter know what happened to your son?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Yes, she got custody, and yes I feel that justice was not served in this case. My daughter "knows" that her older brother died because he got burned in the bathtub.

[–]superatheist95 2 points3 points ago

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Courts=sexist

[–]ketchupkid 0 points1 point ago

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Still didn't answer the question. How exactly did your son get burned? I know this is gonna be pretty darn emotional for you to answer. But I guess its just my curiosity. Was he in the car with the wolf?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I have answered numerous times throughout the comments, such as here.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 13 points14 points ago

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I do not fully know. I can tell you that he was burned by hot water, so scalded really. I can tell you that the burn expert said the burns were consistent with my son having been dipped into hot water, and that there was no other viable explanation. I can tell you that there were two people present when it happened, my "friend" and my ex-wife's cousin. I am 99% sure that my ex-wife's cousin did not do it.

So, there are 2 people that know what happened, and chances are that I will go to my grave never knowing the full truth.

[–]BalboaBaggins 6 points7 points ago

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Wait then, was the cousin called up to testify in court?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 9 points10 points ago

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He was charged separately as a juvenile with murder 1. I never believed him to be guilty. He was 16 and I got every impression that he loved my son as a cousin should. He was a kid who happened to be there at the wrong time. He was acquitted, and I was pleased for it. I do not believe he testified... but I think I have transcripts, I can check tomorrow.

[–]einmalistkeinmal 2 points3 points ago

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Hmm this reminds be of twin girls at my middle school, they had someone babysitting them when they were about 2 or 3. Apparently the guy heated a giant pot of water and tried to throw them in it. A neighbor heard screaming and called the cops.

The girls arms and legs are covered with scar tissue from the burns.

[–]kameeriwannakissu 0 points1 point ago

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Part of me wants to know what happened, but the other part of me doesn't. I'm already cringing at reading only what you have just written. That poor boy! It sounds as if it was deliberate - was it?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I cannot be sure if it was deliberate. I think it is highly likely though.

[–]PatAunces -1 points0 points ago

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Maybe he was starting a bath and left the kid unattended?

Edit: Erased second question

[–]sonofamonster[S] 5 points6 points ago

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This was actually the first explanation I was given and believed it until I saw photos of my son's injuries. For clarity, the explanation was that my son was in the tub with the water running, and he adjusted the valves to make the water full hot. The problem with this explanation is that my son's burns were about even on the front and back, and there were none on his feet. He would have had to have been levitating, and spun completely around in the hot water. What the pictures suggest, and what the burn expert testified to in court, is that my son was held by the hands and feet and then dipped into hot water.

[–]iaccidentlytheworld 7 points8 points ago

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I know this AMA must be difficult because of the memories it brings up, but how old was your son when he died?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 9 points10 points ago

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He was 14 months old. I had spent only half of that time with him due to Navy life.

[–]emjones91 3 points4 points ago

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I don't have a question for you, but I do want to tell you I'm so sorry for your loss. I couldn't imagine losing a child. And also, thank you for you service.

[–]rekkoner 2 points3 points ago

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I wanna know too!

[–]wouldyounotlikesome 10 points11 points ago

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If you were diagnosed with a terminal illness, would you kill them before you croak?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 28 points29 points ago

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19 year old me says definitely. 24 year old me says maybe. 29 year old me (today) says: I have too many people in my life that I love dearly. I would not waste my remaining days doing this. I also couldn't bear the thought of my children seeing me as any kind of monster, as that's the way I look at my father.

[–]huggintrees 5 points6 points ago

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You're a good man. So sorry to hear about your loss, and it's great to see that you're in a much better place now.

[–]ChaseAlmighty 10 points11 points ago

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Well if it ever comes to it I'll do it for you.

[–]Zamarok 2 points3 points ago

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Batman?

[–]SirFoxx 1 point2 points ago

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I understand what you're saying but I would find it very, very hard not to feel that I owed it to my son to avenge his death to ever have a semblance of peace in life.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 4 points5 points ago

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I understand the way you feel as well. I just no longer share this view.

[–]SirFoxx 0 points1 point ago

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And since you have living, breathing people relying on you now, you're view is the correct one. Don't know if I could contain the blind rage enough so I wouldn't cause damage to those still living in my personal circle. You have my respect, sorry for your loss.

[–]zombiecyborghitler 7 points8 points ago

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Thanks for making all my "serious life issues" seem lame.

[–]CrackerJoe 7 points8 points ago

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People often say things like "I can't even imagine how that felt" or "I'm not sure how I would react to that" and I've never really thought much of it - but in this case, both apply to me. I can honestly say I probably would be able to cope as well as can be expected - but then I think about my daughters, and I'm not sure.

A couple things... You seem like you have your shit together - that's always good, but I applaud you for not using a tragedy as an excuse in life. I've seen too many times, when something catastrophic happens some people will use that as an excuse to be a permanent victim.

I'm sorry for your son - truly...

[–]sonofamonster[S] 6 points7 points ago

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My mother, whose experiences over the first 35 years of her life make mine look like a walk in the park, does this. She is capable of much more than she has accomplished, but she allowed herself to slip into a lifestyle that allows her to claim victim status and not claim responsibility for her actions. I love her and accept her for who she is, but I wish she had the strength to take back control of her life.

[–]ndewhurst 14 points15 points ago

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This is just an absolutely heart-breaking story. I can't imagine the pain you went through, and the restraint you exercised. I'm sure having experienced such loss, you must be one of the greatest fathers on the planet. Of course my dad could beat you up, but still.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 10 points11 points ago

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Chances are that your dad could beat me up... I don't fight much.

As for being one of the best fathers on the planet, well, I know I'm at least a decent dad, but I always see room for improvement. I often feel that I'm not spending enough time with my kids and I'm probably a bit too paranoid about dangerous activities. I know that my experiences have changed my outlook, and I do my best to temper my views on things so that my kids don't end up handicapped by my history.

[–]yamfood 7 points8 points ago

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dude from what i'm reading here you sound like a really good father and also pretty well-adjusted about what happened. good on you bro. i'm sorry about what happened to you but i think everything happens for a reason. good luck with your new family and at least your other daughter is with an alright step-dad. :D

[–]LastPaleLight 4 points5 points ago

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It sounds like you've managed to move on with your life and are no longer "a broken man". What helped you to move on? Did you/do you have any trust issues with your current wife?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 6 points7 points ago

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I do have trust issues to this day. They are not as bad as they once were. My current wife is simply awesome and exceptionally understanding of my issues, and she has hers as well. Luckily, we're best friends and we can talk about it without getting too offended.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 3 points4 points ago

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I'm mended, but not whole. One of my issues when I was "broken" was that I lost my identity. I had built a life around being a father. It was a big part of who I was and how I saw myself. When my son died I stopped being a father, and was very lost, and saw little to no point.

I met my current wife shortly after his death, and a few months after that I was a father again (the baby that my ex was pregnant with was mine). Being a father again, and having a woman who loved me the way my current wife does were probably the 2 biggest milestones in my recovery.

After those 2 I would say that time was a major contributor. It's over 10 years on, and I am almost shaking just typing this out. 5 years ago I would shake from thinking about the situation, and 10 years ago I was very numb about it.

[–]Pythiasnipple 2 points3 points ago

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Not sure why, but the line "I had built a life around being a father" hit me the hardest of this entire thread. Kudos on being able to move on from this and get back on some kind of speaking terms with your ex wife. I'm not sure I'd be able to.

[–]LastPaleLight 0 points1 point ago

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What relationship does the mother have with the child? How'd custody work out?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 18 points19 points ago

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I touched on this a bit further up, but I will expand on the custody bit here. My ex-wife has primary custody of my oldest daughter. Together they live with my ex-wife's boyfriend (of whom I am a big fan), his 2 older children, and their son they had together. They are not married, but I hope they get hitched sometime. He's a really great guy, and I think my daughter would benefit from the added stability and assurance that their marriage would bring.

I have my daughter every other weekend... and pretty much any other time I want as long as it doesn't interrupt her schooling (she lives an hour away). My current wife and I get along pretty well with my ex and her boyfriend which makes everything a lot better for everyone involved. It wasn't always so great. I harbored a great deal of animosity for my ex-wife for quite a while, but I came to mostly forgive her over time, as I realized that she has been sitting on a mountain of guilt over the death of our son, and that she has grown and is no longer the same person she was then (we were only kids ourselves when we lost our son).

As to the obvious question of how she ended up with custody: When my daughter was born, I was in the Navy, back in Virginia Beach. I took leave as soon as I found out about the birth, went home, got a lawyer, went to court, and got DNA testing ordered. The state had seized custody of my daughter on account of the circumstances of my son's death. The state placed my daughter with my wife's parents as relative foster parents. The court made a special exception and allowed my wife to live at her parents' house as well since she was breastfeeding. My ex-wife disputed paternity, and so I had no rights to my daughter until test results came back. By that time I was back in Virginia.

I got discharged from the Navy and came home and started seeing my daughter, in supervised visits at first, and then overnight and weekend visits. By the time custody was on the table in our divorce, my ex-wife had established herself as the primary caretaker of my daughter, and the state was returning custody of my daughter to my ex-wife. I told my lawyer that I wanted to fight for custody, and he told me that I didn't stand a chance. He said he'd love to collect thousands of dollars to go to court, but the fact was that I had been present for very little of my daughter's life up to that point, and the state was already in the process of returning my daughter to my ex-wife... so an argument that she was unfit would not fly in court. He told me to settle for every other weekend and increasingly longer visits every summer, so I did.

I think my lawyer, and the state, were right. Had I gotten custody of my daughter at that time, I would have used her as a weapon against my ex-wife. With the current situation my daughter gets to have 2 families that love her, and she's not being pulled in either direction.

[–]Frida123 6 points7 points ago

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This really moved me.

It is great that you can look past all the wrongs and just be happy that your daughter is happy.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 3 points4 points ago

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It took me a long time and plenty of failures to get here. I was bitter for a long time, and I failed my daughter plenty in that regard. Luckily, she was too young at the time to know what an aimless, petty prick I can be at times.

[–]LastPaleLight 1 point2 points ago

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At least you are honest with yourself about it, too.

[–]GhostedAccount 0 points1 point ago

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So you are punished for being in the navy and the state was unwilling to call her unfit to cover its own ass?

American courts suck.

[–]Ca5bah -3 points-2 points ago

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Sounds like your ex-wife is a crazy bitch. Cheers to wishing she gets thrown in front of a semi!

[–]actuallyitistheft 15 points16 points ago

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if only a serial killer reading this would hunt down that motherfucker and make him his next victim...

[–]broo20 11 points12 points ago

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I wonder if he lived in Florida?

[–]Fredbrained 0 points1 point ago

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One has and he will.

[–]actuallyitistheft 0 points1 point ago

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we never spoke.

[–]BreSput 4 points5 points ago

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Why didn't you turn them in for stealing two cars? Seems like some justice would have been down that way.

What ever happened to your "friend"?

EDIT: I realize the in the first that because she was your wife, testimony would have been useless, but it seems like there was still enough evidence out there for hte police to get them and you could have pointed them in the right direction.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 5 points6 points ago

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I tried to turn them into NCIS for the cars (they were both taken from on-base long term parking). The guys I talked to said they would look into it... never heard anything back. I don't really know where it went from there, but I know that over time I let it go. Kind of embarrassing now that I think about it. I was in such need of some justice at the time, but I had a shot at it with the cars and I didn't pursue it aggressively enough.

My "friend"... I do not know. Last I heard he was in school to be a nurse (which disgusts me). Every now and then I google his name, just because I still have some need for justice, and I want to see if he's not doing well. I did find a forum post that he made on a publishing website a few years ago... he was looking for somebody to write a book about his experience with the entire incident. I am pleased to say that he was roundly chastised by the authors posting in the thread.

[–]AnyelevNokova 2 points3 points ago

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he was looking for somebody to write a book about his experience with the entire incident. I am pleased to say that he was roundly chastised by the authors posting in the thread.

"Will anyone write this book about my life for me? I was an AWOL sailor who started an affair with my friend's wife while living in their home, stole a couple cars with her, and then may/may not have killed their son. Doesn't that sound like a great novel?"

[–]sonofamonster[S] 8 points9 points ago

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He didn't give that many details, but he did link to a news article about it (this article is no longer available online) and the replies he got were basically calling him sick for attempting to profit from his crimes.

[–]AnyelevNokova 1 point2 points ago

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There's writing an honest account about what happened (fessing up or getting the truth out there), and then there's attempting to profit from it. Good on them for turning him away.

[–]truesound 8 points9 points ago

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What's the chance that your wife got dragged into crystal meth by your friend?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 8 points9 points ago

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I have considered this scenario (as I have with many scenarios). I would say the chances are greater that 0% and less than 40%. Do you ask because you believe that it might help explain the burns and the reluctance on my wife's part to seek medical attention?

[–]AngMoKio 14 points15 points ago

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To be fair, I first thought meth when I heard your story also.

Meth seems to make parents forget about children.

[–]truesound 11 points12 points ago

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Yeah. And the stolen cars. And the erratic suddenly changed behavior.

[–]badbobby666 5 points6 points ago

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The whole story just screams METH. It's exactly what I thought when I read it.

It's really the only thing that would plausibly explain it.

[–]PhnomPencil 2 points3 points ago

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My thoughts are with you.

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Scenario: You're on a business trip in a neighboring city, just getting back from a meeting. It's really late, and you decide to drop by an ice-cream shop to grab a treat before heading back to the hotel to settle in.

You exit the shop, and hail a cab. A cab stops across the street from you, and low and behold, your "friend" stumbles out of the cab and onto the side walk, passed out cold. The cab drives off, and the air is silent: nothing exists but you and him. What do you do?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 8 points9 points ago

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Quite a scenario you have there. I don't know what I would do in that situation. It would probably be the only opportunity I ever got, so I would probably grab him a coffee and try to get him to come to. I would try to convince him to tell me what happened that night. There would be no legal peril to keep him from telling me the truth, and maybe he needs to say it. I wouldn't kill him though, since that's probably what you want to know. I don't think I could live with myself after killing a person.

[–]ShearGenius89 2 points3 points ago

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I'd throw my fresh hot coffee in his face...

[–]MsConstrued 2 points3 points ago

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I'd buy enough fresh hot coffee to pour on him so he has more than 40% burns on his body. Then not call 911 or get him medical help.

[–]crackpot123 1 point2 points ago

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I don't think I could live with myself after killing a person.

I hope this isn't offensive, just like, you were in the armed forces. Wouldn't killing that man have been a million times easier than killing some poor sucker who happened to be on the other side of the war; probably the same as you? Like, having been trained to fight, I almost thought killing that man would have been more of a question of when, not if.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 5 points6 points ago

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I never killed anybody while in the Navy, nor was I likely to. I never shot a gun, I never received training on combat (well, limited simulated training in bootcamp). I worked on the ship's air conditioning and refrigeration equipment. My ship was an amphibious vessel and basically acted as a taxi for marines, so I was pretty far removed from any type of killing. My job was essentially equivalent to being a mechanic that worked on a taxi that drove a guy to the airport where he thought about going on a shooting spree but never got around to it.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points ago*

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You mean to say that, in a lonely street at 2 in the morning; you and your lifes greatest foe, him at your feet, you in total power, possible to do whatever you see fit--and you're not even going to rough him up a bit after he tells you the story of how he murdered your boy and stole your wife??

Good god man, this person destroyed your family, the life before the one you have now! Tell me you'd sock him one for your dead child, if nothing else!

And no, I didn't expect you to say that you'd kill him; a man in the unique position you hold would not dare do such a thing. I did, however, expect something specific, almost pre-contrived. Ah well...

Btw, I love your posts, and will always keep an eye out for more. Very interesting reading.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 7 points8 points ago

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My first priority would be to question him about what happened that night. I can't guarantee that I would not get violent. It would depend on what he told me.

I can tell you that I spent a lot of time fantasizing scenarios such as this. The entire first year after my son's death was full of day dreams of the tortures I would inflict upon him if given the chance. I've thought through what I would do given various possible responses from him, and I vividly imagined most of the details (now I'm sounding a bit sick, but this is one of the ways I coped). Over time I spent less time thinking about what I would do if given the chance, and at the same time my fantasies were changing from fantasies of revenge to fantasies of redemption. Now I spend very little time thinking about my "buddy."

[–]ChaseAlmighty 4 points5 points ago

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Stomp his head in until its mush then walk away calmly.

[–]eMigo 2 points3 points ago

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I don't think I could ever let someone walk away after they killed my child. How often if ever do you get the urge to track him down and kill him?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 2 points3 points ago

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I used to, but no longer. I don't wish him well, but I only slightly wish him dead. I have too much to lose to kill him.

[–]The_Turk2 2 points3 points ago

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You mentioned your current children briefly, could you talk a bit about your current family? Sorry if this deviates a bit, but I'm in need of something a bit more upbeat, after this terrible story I just read, which I don't even have words for...

[–]sonofamonster[S] 19 points20 points ago

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Sure thing. I am currently married to the most amazing woman I've ever met. When I met her she had a seven year old son and I had a daughter on the way (but I didn't know at that point if she was mine). It didn't take me long to impregnate her, then impregnate her again 3 months after she gave birth.

At this point, I said to myself, "Hey self, you are 21 and you have... 4 kids to take care of." To which myself replied, "Yea, but I hate condoms and I love sex... also, my girl is sensitive to the side effects of all that birth control." So I said, "What about a vasectomy?" So, I took myself to get a vasectomy.

A few years on I asked that awesome girl to marry me. She said yes. Now it's my wife and I, my 17 year old stepson, my 8 year old son, my 7 year old daughter, and every other weekend and a few weeks in the summer we have my 9 year old daughter as well. Back in February, my brother's ex-girlfriend had her kids taken from her by the state for neglect. My wife and I ran the most suitable house within the extended family, so we received placement of his 2 kids (a 2 year old boy and a 4 year old girl), and now we've been foster parents for... 5 months.

Things are crazy here. We have one room with 2 boys, one room with 2 girls (3 when my nine-year-old is here), one room with a 17 year old who's currently struggling with Teenage Asshole Syndrome (but he's not bad, just an asshole at times... we're working through it), and my wife and I in a room.

I couldn't be much happier. I have a good job, a wonderful family, and I get to help my niece and nephew through a really rough spot in their lives. I have a working relationship with my ex-wife and her boyfriend, and that situation is mostly drama-free.

I hope that helped.

[–]The_Turk2 3 points4 points ago

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...how are you so perfect????....

lol, so you are 10 in a house, altogether? wow! Out of curiosity, and you can ignore this question if you want, but why doesn't your brother take care of his own kids, knowing full well that you already have so many children to take care of?

As for your 17 year old son, perhaps he's just under the weather since you have so many little children, and the age difference between him and the next oldest child does seem to be quite a gap, a bit understandable for a person like me whose cousins are all girls and much younger than me.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 3 points4 points ago

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My brother is kinda screwed up i guess. Child Protective Services wants him to take parenting and anger management classes, and he could probably get custody of his kids if he would do it. I think he doesn't do it because he doesn't think he's capable of being a good father, which is sad, because I think he could be an excellent father. He has a son who is now 15 I believe... the child's mother died, my brother was in prison, and he allowed his son to be adopted, and that turned out well. I think he probably figures that his kids are better off with us, but I think they need their parents. It takes a pretty bad situation to make foster care the better option.

The 17 year old is... gonna be fine. I can't imagine that he likes having so many little kids in the house, but I think he just needs perspective, and that will come in time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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I am only posting as a mom whose son also passed on at the age of 23. I am posting to send you a hug, and say I understand. No one seems to understand out there, I have found. Sometimes another person just saying they understand helps.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thank you, and hugs back.

[–]DitkasMoustache 1 point2 points ago

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Big internet hugs to you, man.

How was your command about all of this? Did they back you up or throw you to the wolves (especially in regards to the AWOL thing)?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 8 points9 points ago

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My command was amazing. I got a private NJP for the AWOL thing, which resulted in a suspended sentence. However, I was not done destroying myself at that point. I continued to get myself in most any trouble I could find up until the point that I found out I was a father again. At that point, it was too late. They went easy on me and gave me a general discharge for medical, but they could've given me Other than Honorable. One of my greatest regrets is that I did not honorably finish out my term of service. I really loved being a sailor. I loved my command, my division, and the guys that worked for me. I was going through an exceptionally rough time, but a lot of guys stuck their necks out for me and I really let them down.

[–]anaskar 1 point2 points ago

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Are you still in the Navy? Where is your "buddy" today?

I'm sorry for your loss. That's a ridiculous history to shoulder.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 5 points6 points ago

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I am no longer in the Navy. I enjoyed the majority of my time there, but I don't find the lifestyle compatible with being the husband and father I want to be.

As for my "buddy," I don't know. I don't keep in touch. I tend to google him on occasion. I am yet to see an obit.

[–]broo20 1 point2 points ago

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After that guy killed your son, did you consider killing him? I know I would, but you're not me.

[–]cvframer 2 points3 points ago

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He's a dead man walking, and I would react the same as you.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 2 points3 points ago

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I had about 12 hours once I knew he was involved before he was in police custody. I can't say for sure if I'd have done anything if I had the chance. The next time I saw him was at his trial about 4 months later, and I figured I would be seeing justice. I started really thinking about it after he was acquitted, but I didn't have an opportunity. The day I testified in court was the last time I saw him.

[–]shawnblauvelt 1 point2 points ago

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you are a much better man than most. i am a father myself and dont know what i would do if i lost my daughter. i have lots of respect for you. i hope karma comes to this man who killed your son. as for you i hope you live a long and prosperous life.

[–]Superflonic 1 point2 points ago

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Does your daughter, the one living with your ex-wife, know about what happened to your son?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 4 points5 points ago

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She knows that he died from being burnt. The story she is told is that he burned himself in the bathtub... which I find hard to believe given his age and the pattern of the burns. I let this story stand though. She will be a teenager soon enough, and I don't want to give her reason to lose faith in her mother, which is the natural inclination of teenagers anyway.

There will be a time when it is appropriate to discuss the matter with my children. For now, my kids know that they had an older brother who died.

[–]Superflonic 0 points1 point ago

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I understand, and clearly it's the best thing for now. I do think soon she'll start questioning that explanation though, since it's kind of hard to believe as you say.

All the best, of course. I am very happy that things are working out for you now! :)

[–]sonofamonster[S] 1 point2 points ago

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My hope is that I can discuss it with her as an adult, but I don't think it will take that long for her to get more curious and start asking more questions. I will not lie to her, though I would stonewall and tell my ex-wife that it's time that we discuss the situation with her together.

[–]confirmationguy 1 point2 points ago

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No questions, Thank you for your service and I'm glad to see that this has turned out as well as it could have. Good luck on your journey!

[–]andnbsp 1 point2 points ago

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Imagine:

In the next 5 minutes, you are supreme commander of the justice system. Any change you wish to happen to the procedures or training of the police, lawyers, judges, or jurors (and hell, lets say paramedics too) will be done. These changes can extend retroactively to the past and change the course of history, if you want. These changes will be permanent.

What will you change?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 2 points3 points ago

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Hmmm... this is a tough one. As for any changes extending retroactively, I would have to pass. What's done is done.

What would I change about the justice system? Any changes I made would inevitably lead to unforeseen consequences. I'm not a big fan of the directed verdict, but I'm sure that it's been used many times to save innocent people from biased juries.

I would almost certainly change the way that child protective services treat parents whose kids they've taken custody of, when one of the parents was not involved in any abuse or neglect. The way these situations are handled is beyond unfair, and not what is best for the children in most cases. I believe that the just and proper way to have handled the birth of my daughter would have been to investigate my wife, but give me placement of my daughter, not give my daughter to her grandparents.

Also, those agencies should start following their own rules. I was only given supervised visits with my daughter for quite some time, until I was informed that they were required to have a reason to limit a child to supervised visits with their parents. I raised the issue and they promptly changed my visits to overnight, which they should have been from the start. I believe there is a systemic bias against fathers that needs to be stopped.

One thing that I think the agencies do right is focus on returning the child to birth parents. I could be completely jaded about my experience and ignore the many success stories of these agencies, but I think they do more good than harm.

[–]nerdpizza 1 point2 points ago

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As many have said, I am truly sorry for your loss. Best wishes to you and your family.

[–]laceandlove 0 points1 point ago

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I'm so sorry for your loss, I was wondering if you'd be willing to share how old your son was when he passed?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 0 points1 point ago

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He was 14 months old.

[–]whatisnanda 0 points1 point ago

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Have you talked to your cousin about what happened? If he was there, maybe he can tell you the truth?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 6 points7 points ago

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He isn't my cousin. He is my ex-wife's cousin. I assume that his sense of loyalty to his cousin might stop him from discussing the matter with me... but now I don't know. I always felt like he was shouldering a lot of guilt that he did not deserve, and perhaps talking to him could be helpful for him as well.

Looking at my original post, it is clear that I did not properly explain his actions. The night my son was burned he was there with my "buddy." My ex-wife was at work when the incident happened and got home a few hours later. Her cousin was staying with her at the time as he was having troubles getting along with his parents. My ex-wife and her cousin spent the next day with my son, who was by all accounts lethargic, but not seemingly in pain. He wouldn't eat and didn't feel like playing. He was in shock and dying of dehydration. They apparently couldn't tell that, because my ex-wife left for work around 4:30PM. Her cousin stayed with my son. I understand that around 5-5:15PM my son stopped breathing and began foaming at the mouth. The cousin immediately called 911, but he wasn't trained in any life-saving measures. When the paramedics arrived my son was dead and the cousin was in hysterics. In those 2 months that my wife was back home he had spent more time with my son than anybody, and I can only imagine how he felt watching my son slip away.

He might be willing to talk to me about what happened. I think I will try to get in touch with him.

[–]PrettyLilVaginaFace 0 points1 point ago

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You may have answered this question in the heaps of comments but, how did he aquire the burns? What did this guy do to him?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I have answered, but the long and short of it is that I don't really know. The people who do know haven't told me yet and probably never will, but as I said in another reply, I am going to attempt to get in touch with my wife's cousins and see if I can get a straight story from him.

[–]stanfan114 -1 points0 points ago

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Any chance it was a meth lab explosion?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 0 points1 point ago

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My son's burn patterns don't seem compatible with this theory, but I'm no expert on meth labs or explosions thereof.

[–]PrettyLilVaginaFace 0 points1 point ago

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also, i take it the child your 'wife' was carrying didnt turn out to be yours. Did your 'wife' stay with your 'friend'?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 1 point2 points ago

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The child was mine, and my wife did not stay with my "friend", there are a number of replies in which I have explained this pretty thoroughly... right now, they're closer to the top.

[–]usnavyedub 0 points1 point ago

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What was your rate in the navy? How did your Chain of Command react/do to help you out?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I was an EN3, A-gang, AC&R shop. My command was very helpful and supportive. I was granted extra leave (i.e. my requests were "lost" when I returned), I was basically forgiven for going AWOL, I was given "temporary recruiting duty" in my hometown so I could be there for the trials, and I was setup with a good counselor, but I allowed myself to be victimized and defeated by my situation. I stopped expecting anything of myself and nobody around me was comfortable expressing their expectations of me. I ended up with a medical discharge, and I slowly took back control of my life after returning home, starting to see my daughter and feeling the love and support of my girlfriend (now my wife) and her son.

[–]spicymeataballa 0 points1 point ago

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What ever happened to your "friend"?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I mentioned this in some other answer, but for all I know he's free or dead--he's been difficult to track down. I could spend some money and actually make a real attempt to track him down, but I have better things to spend my money on (there's a Steam Sale right now).

I google him from time to time and found out that he attempted to get an author to write a book about his experience. Other than that I had heard through my ex-wife about 8 years ago that he was pursuing a career in nursing (I don't know why she told me, I didn't ask for news about him--we were still quite adversarial at that time, so she may have been baiting me, but that seems a bit complex). My understanding is that nobody I know has had any contact with him since then.

[–]dchuk 0 points1 point ago

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Do you have a wife and kids now?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Yes I do, and I'm very happy.

[–]MisfitDRG 0 points1 point ago

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Would you be willing to share the details if/when you have a talk with your wife's cousin? EDIT: Ex-wife, sorry

[–]sonofamonster[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I don't know. It occurs to me that now is not the right time to ask him, but I will be laying the groundwork soon I think. Sharing what he tells me would depend on how he feels about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I still find it hard to believe that court didn't question how he got burned.

Judge: So, Mr.Accused how did the little guy get burned?

Mr.Accused: Oh, I don't know. I was watching Two and a Half Men.

Judge: Dismissed. Next case.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 2 points3 points ago

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I think the issue was that they were trying to stick murder 1. According to the case law in my state, a person is guilty of murder 1 when they take an action which a reasonable person would find likely to result in death, when they mean to do the victim harm, when the action results in the victim's death, and when the action they took which caused the death is premeditated. The judge gave his reasons, but I wasn't in the courtroom and I can't recall what the transcripts said, but essentially, the prosecutor failed to present a case that in the eyes of the judge could not result in a guilty verdict from a reasonable jury... now I have to go read the transcript...

[–]fafasamoa 0 points1 point ago

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Good luck with your life and hope you stay this up beat. As for your foe I hope that day haunts his dreams and waking hours .

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I admire your courage and ability to bounce back. In your shoes I think I'd be living under a bridge in a drunken stupor, even after 10 years. Or dead.

[–]WarRedditor 0 points1 point ago

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i love how the fucker killed a baby, stole two cars from a Us navy base, the mother give away a child to a killer, and they got away with all that shit. Good job, Us justice system.

[–]Annoyingquestion 1 point2 points ago

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Im so sorry you have my sympathy also if you had the choice of a weekend cruise around the world who would you take it with the reddit alien or the little black alien from futarama whom?

[–]sonofamonster[S] 6 points7 points ago

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Reddit Alien. Nibbler would be a bit too much of a liability. You can only carry so much food on a ship. Also, the Reddit Alien would keep me in good spirits with his clever use of memes and love of cats. One thing though, how fast is this ship going? You have to haul some serious ass to make it around the world in a weekend on a ship.

[–]Annoyingquestion 2 points3 points ago

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Over 9000 MPH!!!

[–]thegoods14 0 points1 point ago

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That'll work

[–]Nebz604 0 points1 point ago

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Good for you for picking up the pieces and moving forward.

[–]eckx0023 0 points1 point ago

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Would you be willing to share how your son was burned?

[–]BalboaBaggins 6 points7 points ago

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Read the OP, he says he doesn't know for sure.

[–]yamfood 1 point2 points ago

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good username dude

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[–]sonofamonster[S] 6 points7 points ago

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I was unaware of these 3 subreddits, but if I feel the need to share anymore stories from my past I will submit it there. Thank you.

[–]read_it_oar 8 points9 points ago

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I was actually going to say this is the best AMA Ive read. Most everyone on here are is taken by the story and want to know what it must be like to have to live through such hell. As always, there are a couple dozen other subreddits that are also suitable.

[–]Yawgmoth_of_Urborg 6 points7 points ago

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You deserve the downvotes. Fucking reddit nazis. "oh herp derp I am not going to pay attention to the content, just complain about where it is posted herp derp." This is a user generated site. And apparently judging by the amount of upvotes, users seem to like it. If you do not, downvote it. But being a fucking reddit nazi just makes you seem like an asshole.

[–]SirFoxx -1 points0 points ago

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If you're sure this guy did this to your son intentionally, hunt this motherfucker down and do what needs to be done. I can't imagine the evil that would be in person to do this to a 14 month old baby. That evil needs to be eliminated from existence, since the courts failed, personal justice will do.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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How'd he get burned? How'd he get burned?! HOWDEGEBURNED HOWDEGEBURNEDHOWDEGEBURNED?!?

[–]greenconverse11 -1 points0 points ago

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What was your son's name? I'm so sorry that happened to you. And to him, of course.

[–]sonofamonster[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I'd rather not say, just to preserve the partial anonymity I still have.

[–]greenconverse11 0 points1 point ago

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Okay :) I'm just someone who's always really interested in people's names. Totally understandable, though!

[–]Cdtco -1 points0 points ago

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Smile. Your son is smiling down on you right now.