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[–]wroth 351 points352 points ago

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if you think evolution has direction,

then I think I should offer a correction.

The tuning's not fine;

what you see as divine,

is quite simply, natural selection.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 146 points147 points ago

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My issue's not that it's unguided
But rather how species are divided
    If mutations abound
    Why can't there be found
New species that were just incited?

[–]wroth 246 points247 points ago

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The mutations are really quite small.

Evolution happens at a crawl.

The good changes stay,

the bad go away.

The result is new species for all.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 123 points124 points ago

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The problem though is speciation
That promotes the normalization
    Of each species type
    But my biggest gripe
Is that it destroys information

[–]wroth 186 points187 points ago

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Information isn't destroyed

it is altered, and then redeployed

C, G, T and A

makes up all DNA

The amalgam makes species ahoy!

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 123 points124 points ago

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But if species cannot interbreed
To which evolution concedes,
    Then a problem remains
    So please do explain
How the mutant can then "do the deed"

[–]unkzAtheist 143 points144 points ago

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fecundity's but a distribution

probabilistic in its execution

and like zeno's paradox,

the discreteness of clocks,

provides a terminus to its diminution

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 89 points90 points ago

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I know what you're saying about swap-out

Of genes should eventually stop-out

But chance leaves excepted

How the creature's incepted

It seems more to me like a cop-out.

[–]unkzAtheist 118 points119 points ago

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the problem is identification of class

of a creature neither horse nor ass

if they didn't look hard,

its descendants may yet regard,

it as an attractive young lad or young lass

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 76 points77 points ago

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This claim does make some sense
But it raises some questions, thence
    Your little contortion
    Points toward reabsorption
And ignores the question of "whence?"

[–]holloway 13 points14 points ago

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Species do not turn on a dime,

But evolve they will in good time,

Learn ye now of Ring Species!

Mutants composed of species pieces

Voilà! The broken line.

[–]KAMalosh 15 points16 points ago

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But species can indeed interbreed

I'm not sure who has in you planted this seed

Have you never heard of the liger?

It's a mix of a lion and tiger.

interbreeding is possible, I think it can be agreed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger

[–]AtheismFTW 36 points37 points ago

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Perhaps Horizontal gene transfer
and Interspecies sex can answer
a question so plain
wikipedia could explain
it even to a Biology 101 slacker

[–]SanityInAnarchyAgnostic Atheist, Ex-Jew 9 points10 points ago

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You're thinking species are discrete,
And a sep'rate "Mutant" can't compete,
    But we've observed such a thing
    As a gradient ring
The "same" species, but the ends cannot "meet." 

(ring species)

So you see, species is just a word
To describe what we think we've observ'd
    *Humans* categorize
    But is Nature obliged
To fit with our "kinds"? How absurd!

And a "mutant"? Hey, wait, hold the phone!
X-Men got it wrong: "Mutants", as they're known,
    Are just small deviations
    From a large population
But are they Forever Alone?

Not at all! They're easily found,
Blue eyes are common, and brown
    Would the first with such eyes
    Be rejected, despised
Or unable to "get around?"

(blue-eyed common ancestor)

I admit, your views would seem stuck
In a faith which you've let run amok;
    Misled you may be
    But I can't help but see
You've made this thread classy as fuck.

[–]seeasea 0 points1 point ago

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What is an ex-Jew?

[–]SanityInAnarchyAgnostic Atheist, Ex-Jew 2 points3 points ago

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On a limmerick thread? Well, you see,
I was Jewish till philosophy
    Made me think about why
    Would that man in the sky
Allow evil and suff'ring to be.

I could be a "Cultural Jew",
But I lost my respect for that, too;
    My ancestry's diverse
    Am I Jewish, or Norse?
I'm an Atheist mutt, then, to you.

[–]seeasea 0 points1 point ago

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An black man can lose respect for black culture, yet he remains black.

An Asian man can lose respect for asian society, yet he remains asian.

A Jewish man can lose respect for Jewishness, yet he remaisn Jewish.

(I can't Limerick)

[–]wanderederer1 2 points3 points ago

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Sometimes a genetic mutation

can lead to a geographic separation

in this sort of case

the extra space

can lead to speciation

[–]Gosssamer 15 points16 points ago

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[–]Chance4e 1 point2 points ago

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This is the best one by far.

[–]Ari_Rahikkala 9 points10 points ago

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Evolution really copies information!

To see how, just make a prediction:

Fennec ears radiate heat

What biome does that beat?

Now why don't you read some Shannon?


It's useful for a gazelle to leap

And any earthly animal to sleep

A species is a statement

About its environment!

(plus chaos; a little of it is cheap)

[–]mutatron 3 points4 points ago

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If speciation's where you need a clue,

Just take human chromosome two,

Human from chimp, well

It might be as simple

As having little or no recombination in chromosomes heterozygous for rearrangements, whoop de doo!

[–]wroth 42 points43 points ago

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There are 40 thousand species of spider.

Could you tell if you compared side-by-side-er?

A species is decreed,

when two cannot breed.

And so it's not just a simple divider.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 35 points36 points ago

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There still is a problem right there
Of exception, albeit quite rare
    Some types interbreed
    Even though not decreed
Like how a cat can breed with a hare.

[–]unkzAtheist 68 points69 points ago

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pardon my brief interjection

but to the best of my recollection

though there be ring species,

which are akin to your theses,

cabbits are naught but a fiction

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 51 points52 points ago

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I agree with that little jewel
But my intent wasn't to fool
    I just couldn't that time
    Come up with a rhyme
That allowed me to use the word "mule"

[–]unkzAtheist 32 points33 points ago

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I must argue to the contrary

for a mule's an excellent corollary

speciation events are not neat,

betwixt horse and donkey incomplete,

and in their offspring you see fertility vary

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 21 points22 points ago

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Suppose that a mule will be born
Fertility close to the norm
    The problem is where
    That mule finds a pair
Before his life is outworn.

[–]unkzAtheist 27 points28 points ago

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the chances are relatively spare

that offspring this mule should bear

for this is precisely the point

the species shall soon be disjoint

as their gene sharing becomes increasingly rare

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 16 points17 points ago

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But if there remain some that breed
With both groups before they secede,
    The genes that they're passing
    Since in both groups amassing,
Slows diversion, would you not agree?

[–]kadmylos 6 points7 points ago

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Long eras and long distances

Make these big differences

They split once, then again

And again, and again

Until they forget where they came from and when

[–]mindbleach 3 points4 points ago

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Demanding such sharp speciation 
Relies upon old information.
    Modern gene science
    Permits fuzzy lines --
The "kinds" meme requires cessation. 

[–]kimprobableAtheist, Ex-Christian 20 points21 points ago

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There isn't a demarcation line
The changes are really quite fine
    Imagine a baby
    Growing into a lady
It's a slow change over time

In case I wasn't quite clear
No distinct line marks the year
    While growing, changes occurred
    Lines between ages are really quite blurred
A step from child to adult is not clear

Now here is an example of change
Some fish are really quite strange
    Frog fish crawl with their fins
    A mudskipper will make you grin
Because land is part of its range

[–]kadmylos 11 points12 points ago

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There once was a mosquito that lived underground

As well as a mouse that moved into town

You'll, sadly, only see it in

flies and E. coli

Unless you've got a million years to sit down.

[–]AtheismFTW 7 points8 points ago

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If you look at your brethren's cancer
you may just soon find your answer
not every mutation
is cause for celebration
nor a "positive" evolutionary adapter

[–]roosterreddit 3 points4 points ago

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To find such support of the theorem

You can find evidence in the bacterium

Their generation cycles are short

So their genetics distort

And you get sick by a new strain every autumn

[–]trolloc1 7 points8 points ago

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Whether evolution exists should not be debated

for the bible is quite outdated

the facts are all there

you just have to compare

them to a theory 2000 years ago created

[–]wanderederer1 1 point2 points ago

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A species is a reproductive group

Something is left out of the loop

in order that I

can classify

something like Homo noob

[–]wroth 75 points76 points ago

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If there's not enough proof to accept it,

but you can't provide more to reject it,

since there'll always be gaps

then instead, say, perhaps,

"I don't know " instead of "God effects it!"

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 23 points24 points ago

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Evolution is oft understood
As a theory that explained what it could,
    But if I claim design,
    Natural or divine,
I don't see why it isn't as good.

[–]wroth 34 points35 points ago*

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All about evidence, friend.

It'll get to the truth in the end.

you can pose new ideas,

they're reviewed by your peers,

If they do not stand up, then they're... canned (sorry)

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 16 points17 points ago

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I can't disagree with that fact
That theories deserve to be backed
    But what makes them flower
    Is explanatory power
Without that they have no impact.

[–]MadeOfStarStuff 35 points36 points ago

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"God" has no explanatory power  
because if you say "He" made that flower,  
    you're still left with why  
    and from where "He" did arise.  
"God" just turns curiosity sour.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 9 points10 points ago

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If God made the flower indeed
The question does not yet recede
    For the "Why?" still remains
    There's still room for brains
Why a flower and not just a weed?

[–]MadeOfStarStuff 12 points13 points ago

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Using the known to explain the unknown  
is how science has over time shown  
    our world we can understand.  
    But knowledge doesn't expand  
    with theology at hand,  
seeking the unknown to explain the known.  

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 13 points14 points ago

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Ignoring your breech of the style,
Theology isn't so vile,
    For the questions it asks
    Become science's tasks
As they sort out what seems to beguile.

[–]keepingthecommontone 14 points15 points ago

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I come into this argument late;
If I'm duplicating, please don't hate
But has it been said
"What if the Godhead
Used evolution to create?"

[–]rashtastic 4 points5 points ago

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I think that our Lord did begin,
The Darwinian process herein.
    I'm glad you agree,
    So worship with me:
"His noodly appendage, Ramen."

The reason I offer this jest
is to put faith to the test.
    With science, find fact.
    But faith, you enact?
Then no claims can be put to rest.

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 8 points9 points ago*

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I offer my thoughts later still,
That our very fate is of His Will,
  He said "Let There Be Light,"
  And since He's always right,
Today that BANG puzzles the skilled.

You have to look if you would see,
God's signature is prophecy,
  He had published intentions,
  Of His interventions,
Then carried them out to a T.

How this can be is an affair,
Which science must handle with care,
  For it offers no theory,
  As it's too big a query,
And there's "room at the bottom" for prayer.

By the time you read it all through,
It shows that it's logically true,
  That God spoke through history,
  How He did it's a mystery,
And moreso, that Christ died for you.

For one, I don't fear evolution,
It may well have been God's solution,
  But we need not embrace
  A godless headspace
In order to find resolution!

[–]rashtastic 8 points9 points ago*

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The pattern, it appears to me,
is made clear in the history:
    Science provides light.
    Religion may fight,
but soon is revised to agree.

[–]rashtastic 2 points3 points ago*

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Some questions of course will remain.
But this Mr. Star Stuff made plain:
    the power of theory
    to explain some query
is not present in your refrain.

[–]tehzephyrsong 20 points21 points ago

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Sorry for my breaking in;
Your username's just made of win
Here, have an upvote
And away I shall float
And likely not come here again.

[–]unkzAtheist 43 points44 points ago

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If your argumentative tack

is that explanatory power we lack

then perhaps you've not seen

the history of vaccine

viral adaptation is a well-observed fact.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 15 points16 points ago

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On a micro scale I have no gripe
Like differences in phenotype
    Genes being traded
    From creatures when mated
But macro seems a different type

[–]wroth 42 points43 points ago

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Do you accept macro-erosion?

where small changes can look like an explosion?

It's the same kind of gig

small adds up to big

it's just a much slower motion

[–]onthevergejoe 19 points20 points ago

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In the words of my Uncle Irvine,
Evolution or, rather, Divine
   The problem, my dears:
   In just six thousand years.
There cannot be sufficient time.

"Oh, Irvine!" My aunt would reply
You think that you're ever so sly.
   But your child-like faith
   Seems quite out of place.
Also, could you please record Maury on the VCR for me tonight because I have to go to Ethel's to play cribbage.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 15 points16 points ago

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The difference between them is glaring

The crux of which rests on the bearing

That erosion's a process

Of entropy losses

Evolution claims building, not wearing

[–]Def-Star 14 points15 points ago

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[–]fuzzymechyAtheist 8 points9 points ago

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it seems to me what you're saying,

is that genetic mis-copying is only decaying

that genetics mutations

result in lost information

but i find that that notion dismaying

(here's some info, sorry it's kind of hard to put a link name into a limerick. also, i apologize if i', getting your point wrong, as fun as this is, there's a reason debates don't tend to be in limerick form

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/new_info.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation#Classification_of_mutation_types

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13673-evolution-myths-mutations-can-only-destroy-information.html)

[–]bilds 6 points7 points ago

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Dude, no one cares for your link. Forget about carbon and zinc. It's the mode of expression that counts for this session. So next time before you post, think.

[–]nytehauq 1 point2 points ago

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If you for a moment remember

The light from that glorious ember

Mixed energy betwixt 'em

Earth's myriad systems

Your thermodynamics's dismembered

[–]wroth 1 point2 points ago

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"Building" implies a direction

for which I've already made an objection

evolution is just

"things change when they must"

and that's where you'll find the connection

[–]avnguyen213 0 points1 point ago

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And evolution does builds indeed!

With natural selection to proceed

a species onward, yet slightly altered

to ensure that it keeps on moving forward.

[–]rashtastic 0 points1 point ago*

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I'm not sure I follow this thought.
Small changes are easily sought.
    The sum of these changes
    can lead to large ranges
of species; perhaps you think not?

[–]Def-Star 7 points8 points ago

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You've hit the nail on the head

Theism should be put to bed

Divine creation

Has no explanation

But God did it because that's what He said

[–]rashtastic 0 points1 point ago*

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I think that your verdict is true-
Explanatory power will do.
    To tell fact from fiction
    we look to prediction.
Creationist inference, have you?

[–]kadmylos 1 point2 points ago

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If you look for explanation

Evolution is your salvation

What else can explain

Wisdom teeth, whale thigh bones

And the laryngeal nerve's circumnavigation?

If you say "Godidit" I'll just

Roll my eyes and smirk my worst

You want to explain

What no one's seeing

Making up things so your preconceptions don't burst.

[–]SecularMantis 0 points1 point ago

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Is that a British accent I detect? Nobody on this side of the pond could rhyme "ideas" with "peers", we're too damn rhotic.

[–]wroth 3 points4 points ago

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You caught me red-handed old chap.

and now it is time to distract

you with this CUP OF TEA

and away I doth flee!

but not 'fore I tip you my cap.

[–]DumDumDog -2 points-1 points ago

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if they do not stand up, from you no tears

i try ... :(

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic -2 points-1 points ago

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....If they don't stand up, it don't blend.

[–]fuzzymechyAtheist 28 points29 points ago

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while i think that there might be a god,

i find creation theory quite odd

it seems that the pious

have confirmation bias

and will prop up a theory that's fraud

(by the way, OP, you're awesome for making this a little more interesting)

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 13 points14 points ago

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There's one thing I think you're omitting
That statement for both sides is fitting
    For sheeple appear
    When discussions aren't here
To keep everybody still witting.

(You're quite welcome. I thought this might be a nice change of pace from the loaded topics and baiting we've been seeing lately.)

[–]fuzzymechyAtheist 14 points15 points ago

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good sir, while i do agree

the main difference is, you see

scientists lend no devotion

to some predetermined notion

they search only for reality

[–]keepingthecommontone 13 points14 points ago

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Of course, then we ask, "What is real?"
Do we measure? Or ask how we feel?
Science *now* has no path
To reach God using math
But it might one day nip at His heel.

[–]fuzzymechyAtheist 11 points12 points ago

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i think our logic is charting the same course

what that means to us is different of course

you hope there's a creator

a divine all knowing dictator

so you assume our logic is flawed perforce

[–]keepingthecommontone 6 points7 points ago

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On the contrary: logic is great!
It should rule in any debate.
But God's folk also use
Extrasensory clues
They feel scientists have yet to rate.

[–]Omelet 15 points16 points ago

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"Extrasensory," that what you said?
Information from outside is read
    Through senses possessed
    With naught else we're blessed
What you speak of is just in your head

[–]keepingthecommontone 8 points9 points ago

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Of course by that word I did mean
Things not smelled, touched, heard, tasted or seen
But instead figured out
With no shadow of doubt
From prayers answered by feelings extreme

[–]Omelet 10 points11 points ago

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Is it logically figured with care,
Or assumed to be revealed from prayer?
    For one cannot deny
    One should not rely
On what may just be mental err

[–]keepingthecommontone 6 points7 points ago

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Of course I agree with you, sir
And here science and faith can concur:
Testing just once or twice
Should not ever suffice
To be certain your data are sure.

And yes, I myself wonder a lot
About answers the spirit has wrought...
Science does not have proof
That these feelings are truth,
But it also can't prove that they're not.

[–]fuzzymechyAtheist 10 points11 points ago

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which clues are you talking about?

you must have something to back up your doubt.

what makes you decide

that darwin has lied?

and that it's falsehoods that science now spouts

[–]keepingthecommontone 7 points8 points ago

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To be clear, I think Darwin was right
so it's not with his science I fight.
I think God started all:
For I have heard His call
Through a real, but unmeasured, light.

While a quantified proof I do lack,
I'm no unintelligent hack;
I know I felt it true,
I know God knows it too,
So I'm not about to take it back.

[–]fuzzymechyAtheist 8 points9 points ago

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I think I've misunderstood up 'til now, I thought that no evolution would you allow. my mis-information of your young earth creation, is something I'll change, I avow.

god as the creator is alright with me, in practice not so different are we. we both think species' descent was humans-kinds' advent although probably not in 4000 BC.

the problem comes when people decide, that science and knowledge will they deride, when they have a view that they will not let go askew and into ignorance do they willfully slide

[–]keepingthecommontone 8 points9 points ago

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Yes, I think 4000 BC
Doesn't fit with the fossils we see,
But then, men have been wrong
And we've seen all along
That new theories can make past "sure fact" flee.

This has been such a treat for my head,
And there's still so much more to be said,
But my eyes feel such weight
And the hour is late.
Thanks for all the great fun. Now, to bed!

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[–]keepingthecommontone 2 points3 points ago

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I don't think at all that it's fair
To ask science to now embrace prayer!
But you have to admit
That the facts that we get
From our senses can oft be impaired.

If we take this thought to the extreme,
Measured facts might not be what they seem
Just as Morpheus said,
We each live in our head.
Note that things can seem real when we dream!

[–]some_electrons 2 points3 points ago*

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You speak of the tricks of the mind

But think carefully, you'll find

Human experience easily shows it's flaw

But measurements and data raw

Even in error, show truth of a rational kind

[–]enum 15 points16 points ago*

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If I were to tell you with mirth,
a kettle, did circle the Earth.
Would you then say,
without quips or fray,
that my evidence lacks some worth?

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Believing that claim would be tough
But I think you would say in a huff,
    Since I have no facts
    My argument lacks
And your claim should just be enough

But the problem here isn't the lack
But rather that augments stack
    That no man ever thought
    To launch up a pot
There's negative evidence in fact.

[–]enum 2 points3 points ago

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The example is simple, you see.
When embraced, it will set your mind free.
The point I was making,
is there for the taking:
Hypotheses need apology.

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 0 points1 point ago

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Books of evidence have been compiled,
In history kept but beguiled,
  But if you really knew,
  Like you'd read it right through,
Evidence would be one claim less wild.

[–]enum 0 points1 point ago

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Evidence sans data is moot,
to see this you must be astute.
I've read the books,
and know the hooks,
and you're being played like a flute.

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic -2 points-1 points ago

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We all know you can't know God like I do,
Unless you've got Christ deep inside you,
  So I'm saying from here,
  It's become crystal clear,
I've seen more data than I can rhyme to.

There are some who will never give cred,
Even if one were raised from the dead,
  Their fate is decided,
  Though I'd override it,
But come now, enough has been said.

[–]80espiay 1 point2 points ago

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Evidence is not found in feeling

Your thoughts are not revealing

Though you hold belief

Many others find relief

From their God who gives them "healing"


If someone were raised from the dead

Your God would still have no cred

We still don't know WHAT

raised the dead man, but

It's fallacious to claim "'twas the Godhead".

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, worldwide these false things abound,
Though they're known to amaze and astound,
  They are there to make you,
  See Christ and poo-poo,
As if no truth can ever be found.

If you think that it just coincided,
That Lazarus came forth when Christ chided,
  Then you've still got to wonder,
  What set him asunder,
And why must your thoughts be divided.

The supernatural is oft what you find,
When to all sound advice you are blind,
  Just when you least expect,
  Your whole worldview gets wrecked,
And you've naively opened your mind.

e.g. Paranormal is one of the ploys,
the "angel of light" oft enjoys,
  But those "ghosts" when pressed,
  Are forced to confess,
Through their channels "I lied" with sad voice

Jesus showed day after day,
That there are sinister forces at play,
  Who love sickness and death,
  Whether "spirit" or "breathe,"
Being King, He made them go away.

Deliverance may not seem progressive,
Though in real life rather impressive,
  But your own CogDis,
  Causes you to dismiss,
So you just go back to the collective.

I'd implore you to study and look,
At the supernatural guide book,
  'fore you try to make sense,
  Of events that are hence,
Lest you be ever sorely mistook.

[–]80espiay 2 points3 points ago

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@paragraph 1:

You claim all other gods untrue

Yet the burden of proof is on you

To show us the light

And set it all right

Until then, I'm right to "poo-poo"


@paragraph 2:

As the open-minded one here

"coincidence it COULD be," I jeer

"with some trickery on the side."

You must still explain WHY

It's undoubtedly CHRIST I must fear.


Whenever I can't explain something I see

It's fallacious to say "ONLY God this could be"

The default hypothesis

Is to say "I don't know this"

Til evidence is gathered, data is analyzed, a reasonable conclusion is reached... YIPEE!

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic -2 points-1 points ago

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meh. Suit yourself.

[–]MadeOfStarStuff 21 points22 points ago*

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Science aimed to explain  
what caused clouds to rain  
    it did no good  
    to say you could  
explain it as God's campaign

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 7 points8 points ago

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Upvoted for keeping the scheme
But I have issues that it would seem
    That your topic has strayed
    Into areas, greyed
Weather's not really on theme

[–]unkzAtheist 27 points28 points ago

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'tis but a momentary lapse

a jab at the god of the gaps

what we can't explain,

goes the tired refrain,

god could have done it, perhaps?

[–]MadeOfStarStuff 11 points12 points ago

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Science isn't confined to life,  
and there has always been strife  
    between those that explicate  
    and those that obfuscate.  
Mystic 'answers' have always been rife.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 6 points7 points ago

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But this topic is about evolution
And your claim seems but a dilution.
    A jab at the gods
    With which you're at odds,
It adds nothing but more convolution.

[–]MadeOfStarStuff 20 points21 points ago*

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You say you want a debate
but you insist that "God" did create.
    And every time in the past
    that Nature was asked
it turned out "God" we did overrate.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 12 points13 points ago

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God is not part of my claim
Creation just isn't the same
    As belief in divine
    Those are your words, not mine
But I feel my flair is to blame.

[–]MadeOfStarStuff 16 points17 points ago

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"Creation" implies purpose and thought  
given to the object bought  
    into existence,  
    but I'll keep distance  
from using words that you have not.  

[–]unkzAtheist 8 points9 points ago

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Your god admits no other gods but thine,

but in your use of the plural this time,

To my ears it does seem

that thou dost blaspheme

In your haste to find a good rhyme.

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 8 points9 points ago

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The plural was quite necessary
When debating a person that carries
    Some views, esoteric
    So I used the generic
So I think much to the contrary

[–]starien 15 points16 points ago

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Dismiss this because of my youth,

The idea is likely uncouth,

But we haven't a fact,

Nor the research to back

Any theory to dare call it "truth."

I know that I'm in the wrong place,

My apologies for the deface,

But we've got greater fish

To be fried in this dish

Than to care how we entered this space.

Instead of disputing our start,

We should pledge every person and heart

To simply be nice

And to never think twice

About helping and doing our part.

[–]wroth 18 points19 points ago

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Of course we can never know all

But to try is an honorable call

and we won't get there fast

by suggesting we cast

good ideas due to gaps, big or small.

Evolution is not just a row,

it's a useful tool for knowing "how".

It can help farms and trees,

and combat disease

and improve all our lives right now.

I agree with the third bit whole heart

but aswell as just doing our part,

we should teach what is real,

and forgo ancient spiel.

We could all do with being more smart.

[–]Talesin_BatBat 12 points13 points ago*

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A Creationist said 'God of course,

let a mule be born from a horse.'

love the power unknown

His miracles are shown

and must NEVER be questioned, but enforced.

in true Atheist fashion

lest facts be overwhelmed by passion

Herbert did sigh

insisting the lie

set forth by the book he was trashin'.

Now these two happened to meet

out in the square of the street

outrage from both sides

divided their tribes;

learned against faith took their feet

yet nothing will change minds any less;

a shouting match just making a mess

people dig in

proving THEIR win

eager to validate that for which they obsess

now if your mind you want to unfetter

desiring to make oneself better

appease noble need

go back and re-read

each line and take just the first letter.

[–]rashtastic 2 points3 points ago

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Good God Almighty

[–]argeaux 0 points1 point ago

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Ramen!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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This thread is the best I have read, 
I suggest taking these ideas to head,
Reading this argument,
Has made me quite somnolent,
Now off I will head to my bed.

[–]Algernon_AsimovAtheist, Secular Humanist 7 points8 points ago

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And, here's one we prepared earlier!

Seriously, I wrote this in another internet forum about a year ago. The theists and the atheists in that group were getting quite agitated. Then one of them turned to limericks (yes, we were that kind of a group!). Then another. So I add my two cents' worth:


Common ground?

‘Tween believers and atheists, I’ve found

that there really is no common ground.

What one calls good sense

is the other’s nonsense,

and the debate just goes round and round.

...

In discussion, I once asked he

who I was debating to point out to me

his proof of a God.

His reply was quite odd:

“The proof there’s a God is that tree.”

...

I sat there considering the proof

but I could not agree it was sooth.

I was really quite shocked

at this statement, it rocked

my whole perception of truth.

...

Here were both of us sharing this world,

and seeing the same tree he’d offered.

Yet where I saw mere fact,

he saw God in each act.

It stunned me beyond any words.

...

Our perceptions of reality

are shaped by our beliefs, don’t you see?

So, there’s really no point

getting all out of joint

when neither side can ever agree.

...

In conclusion, I’d like to point out

to those of you in any doubt:

this story, you see,

really happened to me.

Every word is true, all throughout.

...

It opened my mind to the ways

that our beliefs imbue all our days

with our own modes of thinkin’,

so there’s no hope of linkin’

the sayers of “Aye” with the “Nays”.


[–]rashtastic 6 points7 points ago

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This was a great thing to do.
My stupidity would have shone through
    had this been my thread
    'cause I would have said,
"And now we all write in haiku!"   

[–]rashtastic 6 points7 points ago

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What is existence?
Did God create all of this?
I will ask Reddit.

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 2 points3 points ago

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My friend, I've enjoyed our discussion,
And it's regular sense of percussion,
  You can rhyme and Haiku,
  Two upvotes and adieu,
May it all be of good repercussion.

[–]lemursteamerAtheist 1 point2 points ago*

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Perfect merciful

Genocidal lunatic

Bi-polar yahweh

[–]CyraEm 11 points12 points ago*

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 I believe that our God is a potter
 Who works not in clay but saltwater.
    What Darwin describes
    Is what God has prescribed.
  As a primate, I'm proudly God's daughter.

  He started with empty, black, distance.
  On this plane He brought us to existence.
    What God spoke into light,
    So blinding and bright,
  Was the Big Bang. Piece de resistance.

[–]wazzel2u 10 points11 points ago

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There once was a Christian from school. He denied that we evolved from a pool. He said science was bunk it was by God he had thunk. Until he needed medicine then it was cool.

[–]everred 5 points6 points ago

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The problem with claiming that God
Made everything you see as odd
is that you cannot prove
'twas Jehovah's daft move
'stead of some other fellow named Zod.

[–]rlaw68 4 points5 points ago

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That first day was dark as the night

'Til God said "Let there be light"

But literal folks,

This must be a joke:

For the sun was nowhere in sight.

In fact, it took three more days

Until the warmth of its rays

Were conjured to set matters right.

Or so says the Bible

Which we know is reliable:

It needs only its own self to cite.

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 1 point2 points ago

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You consider the story illogical,
But assume that God works chronological!
  As to which happened "first,"
  We're not deeply immersed,
But the truth can be found theological.

[–]Gryndyl 2 points3 points ago

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In studying things thought mythologic

(and to the religions, quite tragic)

science has rendered humdrum

thousands of conundrums

and the answer has NEVER been magic.

[–]argeaux 2 points3 points ago*

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It seems you reside in the gaps,
Claiming exceptions as facts,
When reality doesn't sync
With your collection of ink
You have an intellect lapse.

Yes evolution's a "theory",
An ongoing scientific inquiry.
But unlike creation,
requiring mental sedation;
Reality fits with it clearly.

[–]KAMalosh 2 points3 points ago

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You're correct that evolution's a theory

But I'm beginning to grow very weary

of people who think this

makes it a hypothesis

and don't understand the term, clearly

[–]Poogy 2 points3 points ago

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I once clicked a link most exciting,

where I saw opinions dividing.

But defending one's book

with faith so unshook,

means science won't change the abiding.

[–]bradwasheresoyeah 2 points3 points ago

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I once believed in fate

Until a saw a debate

Mutated lizards

Verses grumpy sky wizards

A little evidence is great

[–]iamwearingashirt 1 point2 points ago*

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from what i've read so far
this is an origin debate much above par
i'm happy to have read it
here on the site reddit
so keep up the good work in this word spar

(note: how do i make each sentence appear on a new line) (edit: fixed it, thanks)

[–]TheContrarian2 0 points1 point ago

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I obviously can't figure out that CR/LF either! Shift Enter doesn't do it.

[–]TheContrarian2 0 points1 point ago

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Ahhh. Double CRs.

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 1 point2 points ago

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If each line you begin with four spaces,
Then all your rhymes fit in their places,
  Because you can indent,
  With poetic intent,
Lest your limericks make sour faces.

[–]Eelis- 1 point2 points ago*

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When man, his nature he finally knew
Not proud, but frightened he grew!
  Reject it he did
  Would not believe it,
His fault befitting primordial goo.

(Did I mention that as an added challenge I made it told by Yoda?)

[–]bradwasheresoyeah 2 points3 points ago

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There once was a sky monster named Grupp

Who pored the world out from a cup

Call that absurd?

Without science's word

We just end up making crap up

[–]itp757 1 point2 points ago

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people who believe in creation;
probably look down on masturbation;
so if you're here;
i hate to break to you dear;
the internet shouldn't be your destination

[–]kg959Christian, Old Earth Creationist[S] 3 points4 points ago

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Your conjecture just seems rather weak
But it's not a debate that you seek
    For you offer no facts
    So your argument lacks
And my interests you have failed to peak

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Evolution has many gaps you say

And what might those be, pray

In books, scientific journals and museums

you may find the comprehensive evidence

if you bother to read or leave your residence

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Your cult was invented by saps

Your bible is quite full of crap

Your religion a manacle,

Your lord quite tyrannical

A laughable god of the gaps.

[–]pinballwizard420 1 point2 points ago*

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All of you shut your mouths tight,

Nobodys converting tonight,

All minds are made up

So you'll find them quite shut

It's an uphill, impossible fight.

Human psychology proves it

Belief is just too strong to lose it

People will look

For the fact or the book

That best confirms bias and use it

The faithful need not fact or reason

For typically these are not pleasin'

To throw you a bone

They must change on their own

Learning facts because critics are heathens.

[–]horseyhorseyhorsey -1 points0 points ago

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there once was a scientist called frank

who wasn't terribly good at limericks.

he challenged the existing rules

put forward mostly by religious fools

and won the nobel prize for phys-er-ics.

[–]TheContrarian2 -1 points0 points ago

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From "nothing" the universe dawned.

From "nothing" new life was then spawned.

When something from "nothing"

is taught by the left wing

then tears can be heard from beyond.

[–]MackieDrew 0 points1 point ago

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You don't seem to know what your saying.

I'm not going to take this down-laying.

Nothing says things came from a void,

your premise is simply destroyed.

Hopefully your opinion is swaying.


Your faith has stopped you from thinking,

You claim god created the world by blinking.

Believe all these lies they've been seeding,

your position is just special pleading.

If you believe you must've be drinking.


Why must a god have created,

his origin story is still awaited.

Occam prepares his blade,

gods need seems to fade.

And that's just not how the earth has been dated.


[–]FundiFlawed -1 points0 points ago

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There once was a man performed magic,

whose political dream was fantastic

But now that he's gone, they've remembered it wrong,

now isn't that somewhat tragic?

[–]Raptor-Llama -1 points0 points ago

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I note many seem to trust in science,

Though I must say it may not be reliant,

As Neutrino shows

Einstein's theory goes

Obsolete as it seems to defy it

So may it be wise to put faith in the word?

God inspired it as a direction to turn

Rock solid it stands

And no changes be had

Unlike science, which changes as a fire burns.

(I do seem quite weak at rhyming these, and pacing may be horrifying cheese, but may I say to turn away, and instead focus on the main lead.)

[–]rashtastic 3 points4 points ago*

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The process, you see, does not end
Our theories we constantly mend.
    But faith, you can show,
    has no way to know
to falseness or truth does it tend.

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 1 point2 points ago

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We debate evolution all day,
But it serves to give athiests play,
  To continue refrain,
  That faith is in vain,
As if they could explain God away!

[–]bradwasheresoyeah 1 point2 points ago

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When I hit the age of twenty

I saw this debate aplenty

If someone attacks

You'll just move all the facts

Because the concept of God is empty

[–]ADM1N1STRAT0RChristian, Ex-Agnostic 1 point2 points ago

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Yet your Paleo-science does fail,

When "show me the bones" we would hail,

Unstudied they are,

Your discoveries afar,

Sequestered as if they're in jail.

What claims such scientific diction
Can so often be put down to fiction
  Apes in parade
  Of a bipedal grade
Unsupported, but popular piction

Hoaxes and scams put aside
Is there scientific evidence inside?
  The idea one drew
  Another makes true
And "seems right" is the only guide.

[–]bruisermanAtheist, Ex-Christian -3 points-2 points ago*

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To argue evolution a theory

and to become quite a bit leery

means a definition of theory you lack

for this theory is actually a fact

. . .

Theories are constantly tested

to see if they can be bested

continually questioned and tried

passing every challenge in stride

. . .

This misinformation must stop

for a hypothesis a theory is not

to treat is as such, is misrepresenting so much

that the argument becomes a complete flop.

[–]Matt_SF -1 points0 points ago

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Creationists practice the psychology of bliss

Yet by scripture we're all cousins allowed to kiss Thanks to Adam and Eve We're all related you see So how dare science interrupt their CogDis

[–]herbalot -1 points0 points ago

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We got scared This video will change your life

[–]isyourlisteningbroke -5 points-4 points ago

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The fuck?

I started believing in Evolution about the time I actually understood what caused my brother's Down's Syndrome.

It's cool if you want to refrain from accepting though. Faith has just as many gaps as a theory as evolution. That's what caused me to stop bothering.

[–]ansabhailte -2 points-1 points ago*

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Tis a peculiar thing to be seen

That evolution here seems the mean

From darwinist atheists

to evolutionary creationists

where are the 'short earths' like me?

edit: thanks rashtastic!

[–]rashtastic 2 points3 points ago*

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The answer is easy for you-
Instead of just one, do two
    In your keyboard's center,
    Just Double-tap 'Enter'
And format your limericks anew.

[–]ansabhailte -2 points-1 points ago*

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Does anyone here know how

many human features, like the brow

never cease to grow,

so scientifically so,

our "ancestors" were the centuries-old of long ago?

[–]BlunderLikeARicochet -2 points-1 points ago*

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If lonely is your attitude
There's plenty of like-minded fools
In churches and mosques
Temples and synagogues
But fewer, the nearer a school.

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[–]GeneReplicator 8 points9 points ago

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Your prose is actually quite fine Line after informative line But limericks are what we are doing And our fun you are thus poo-poohing So your downvotes now include one of mine.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points ago

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Not an English major... huh... That's like saying that you would have posted this under an appropriate non-limerick thread, but you're not a computer science major, so...